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Author Topic: tool to unmask wikipedia edit's - political agenda's  (Read 917 times)
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« on: August 16, 2007, 07:21:24 PM »

tool located here:
http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/

this tool can scan the ip's of people who edit wikipiedia.  and over the latest weeks many people have seen many political figures changing information in wiki to cover, hide or distort information.

artical:
http://www.katu.com/news/tech/9178937.html

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/wikipedia-shows-cia-page-edits/1033/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6947532.stm

all sorts of people from the cia, to the white house to really far wing political groups, and of course fox-news, who btw posted something so funny it made me think just how terrible foxnews really is (about mike vic doing dog fighting to make money for al-quada and suing him for stealing his dogs for 16 million million dollers - all from a hand written letter from his jail cell - wtf right?)
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2007, 09:44:06 PM »

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to really far wing political groups,
Indeed.

"The site also indicates that a computer owned by the US Democratic Party was used to make changes to the site of right-wing talk show host Rush Limbaugh.

The changes brand Mr Limbaugh as "idiotic," a "racist", and a "bigot". An entry about his audience now reads: "Most of them are legally retarded."

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and of course fox-news, who btw posted something so funny it made me think just how terrible foxnews really is (about mike vic doing dog fighting to make money for al-quada and suing him for stealing his dogs for 16 million million dollers - all from a hand written letter from his jail cell - wtf right?)
No. Not true.

Explain to me why you don't post this information accurately.

The news reported that a prison inmate was making those accusations about Vic. Why are trying to turn it and claim as if Fox news made those allegations?  You're posting exactly like the type of people who commit politically-biased sabotage on wikipedia.

Ironic.
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2007, 10:06:03 PM »

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and over the latest weeks many people have seen many political figures changing information in wiki to cover, hide or distort information.
Come now; with wikipedia's transparancy, did you really expect this to NOT happen?  Unfortunately, much of politics is covering one's tracks; cramming the skeletons into the closet, if you will.  It's not a good thing, but its true.  So anywhere someone is revealing info about them, they're going to make sure that info gets quashed before too many people have heard about it.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2007, 12:23:18 AM »

you can always look on the "history" tab to see who made the most recent changes and, more importantly, why they where made. (punctuation, grammer, the previous person being a racist biggot. You know, all the normal reasons!)
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2007, 02:04:23 PM »

this one is great.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/16/an-embarrassed-fox-news-hits-wikipedia/

i belive they refer to this...
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/15/fox-news-caught-re-writing-wikipedia-history/

i dont have the exact edits from wiki because they were from a differnt source.
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 11:44:40 PM »

So that's how you answer my question, by putting up a negative article about FOX?

How many articles about liberals editing Wikipedia would you like me to link here for you?

You always want to complain about bias, but you yet you have nothing but.



At least you've slowed down on trashing all of America, and you've focused on just one news organization. I suppose that's an improvement.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2007, 05:49:31 PM »

well... its not only fox news thats doing this kind of stuff. alot of compaines are doing it too! covering up issues or changing issues so instead of looking bad for the situation they look good for the situation.

people is the problem, not america, but in america people are a greater problem because no one can decide let alone want to learn, or do things for others so they can learn.

is there a way to run the world without money? would that solve anything? people will always have greed right, so the world needs someone without emotions to make decissions like an alien race (like the one from star trek)... lol, i hope i have confused anyone reading this.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2007, 04:08:54 AM »

If I were Fox news I'd remove the lies put in wiki by Media Myrmidons, too.  They can't seem to get anything right in their crusade against anything that doesn't fit their mindset.

You should read some of the garbage written by these people about things that Neal Boortz says on the radio.  On several occasions, I was LISTENING when he said it and read what he put in his show notes.  Only to see an almost complete fabrication and total distortion in the writeup by Media Matters.  Neal baits them and even puts it in writing on his show notes (and it's worded EXACTLY the way it was said on his show) and they STILL can't get it right.  As if they actually tried.

Their arguments are almost always straw man arguments which have no basis in reality and are generally so they can trump up something to complain about.  They can't really make a valid complaint about what he actually said because there's nothing really to complain about.  They have to say that he said something he didn't.  Then try to inflate the story by telling lies about it.

The MSM is heavily biased to the left (authoritarian/socialist -- NOT liberal) and Fox news is actually (their NEWS not the talk show garbage which any idiot can tell isn't a NEWS program) slightly right of center.  Since Fox doesn't follow the trend of most of the news media and slavishly support and report uncritically everything said by Democrats, the rest of the media and the left wants them gone.  They want their monopoly back on what news we got.  Ain't gonna happen, though.  And I'm very happy about that situation.

Fox was beating CNN so badly in the ratings that CNN had to come back toward the center in their reporting because it was so obviously biased to the left that they were losing viewers to Fox.  Viewers who were fed up with being preached to and lied to by the Liberal media (which isn't liberal).
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2007, 04:14:43 AM »

http://gamepolitics.com/2007/08/18/esa-altered-wikipedia-entry-on-mod-chips/
esa altered info too.

i just think foxnews is really far wing news group... thats not really nice.  but i agree that there are not many other news stations that are legit anymore either.
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2007, 06:16:23 AM »

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The MSM is heavily biased to the left (authoritarian/socialist -- NOT liberal) and Fox news is actually (their NEWS not the talk show garbage which any idiot can tell isn't a NEWS program) slightly right of center.
Yes, but IMHO a news network (any news network) can't place newscasts (no matter how objective) amid an overwhelmingly one-sided array of partisan news opinion/analysis programs and still call itself objective with a straight face.

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Since Fox doesn't follow the trend of most of the news media and slavishly support and report uncritically everything said by Democrats, the rest of the media and the left wants them gone.
I don't really see that the MSM has gone to any great effort to "shield" the democratic party or it's candidates from bad press (Clinton and Obama certainly haven't faired well in the MSM with all the coverage of their petty infighting).
What I have seen is a marked difference in the relationship between this administration and the media vs. the previous administration. The Bush administration's relationship with the press has been far more contentious than the Clinton administration's.

In general though,
To me, the bias in media that some people claim seems vastly overstated at times. I don't doubt that bias exists, I just think the degree to which it exists, especially when considering news broadcasts themselves (not opinion/analysis programming), is often greatly exaggerated.
I personally can't say that I see any great difference in the quality of the straight news brodcasting from any of the major news networks. The networks seem far more driven by ratings and scoops than party loyalties (as evinced by the excessive, IMHO, time dedicated to soft-news/infotainment).

I have noticed that a lot of people tend to judge news stories based on their perception of the network it comes from rather than the content and context of the story itself. What is essentially the same story can be reported by each network and still be seen by some people as a clear example of a particular network's bias.

I have also noticed that the bias (be it liberal, conservative, or whatever) that some people see so strongly in the media is sometimes just that person's inability (or unwillingness) to reconcile the discrepancies between their own idealized worldview and the harsh reality of certain situtations (i.e. that "their guy (or party)" really has done something crooked/asinine/underhanded/illegal/immoral/harmful/etc.).

That's not to say that I haven't been guilty of these very things.
Again, I'm not saying that bias in the media doesn't exist. I just think the pervasiveness and conspiratorial nature of the bias is greatly exaggerated by some.

IMHO of course.
~Mike
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