The rising threat of Mother Russia

[MONOLITH]

"boasting of their capability to penetrate any prospective missile defense"


I've said it before, this guy is big trouble. He will re-instate a cold war, in time IMO.

Now, personally I love this guy. A ballsy no BS mofo who's going to restore super power status to Russia. I think he has big plans that he can't tell anyone. I think he is secretly and slowly seizing control of a former, and collapsing super power,and will restore Mother Russia to her former super power status and glory.

It's known fact that he has already siezed communist type control over the media, and is now hand picking his governors, dissing the whole democratic voting thing. This guy is an old style King.

A true leader. My kind of guy.

I do believe that our boys in the Pentagon must all be getting a little uncomfortable though.




Russia deploys new set of strategic nuclear missiles
Sat Dec 24 2005 12:33:41 ET

The chief of Russia's strategic forces on Saturday attended the deployment of a new set of state-of-the art intercontinental ballistic missiles, boasting of their capability to penetrate any prospective missile defense, news reports said.

Col. Gen. Nikolai Solovtsov, chief of the Strategic Missile Forces, took part in a ceremony that marked the commissioning of the latest set of Topol-M missiles at a missile base in Tatishchevo in the Volga River's Saratov region.

Solovtsov said Saturday that the new missile "is capable of penetrating any missile defense system," the RIA Novosti and Interfax news agencies reported.

Russian officials have called prospective U.S. missile defenses destabilizing and boasted repeatedly that Russia's new missiles could pierce any nation's missile shield.

The Topol-M missiles, capable of hitting targets more than 10,000 kilometers (6,000 miles) away, have so far been deployed in silos. The mobile version, mounted on a heavy off-road vehicle, is to enter combat service next year, Solovtsov said.

The deployed Topol-Ms have been fitted with single nuclear warheads, but officials have considered plans to equip each missile with three individually targeted warheads.

Developing...


And notice...no mention about installation on nuclear subs sitting off of the US east coast. That's a secret.

[Fixxxer]

Well, this was bound to happen sooner or later.

This can go both ways. As it stands now, the US is the only real super power, and that much power in the hands of the wrong man/government with no other nation to keep them in check can be a bad thing.

That's not to say the US is after world domination, and it just so happens the US is that super power, at the moment. If it were Russia, England, etc. the same would still go. It's good to have someone there to keep someone who's quite possibly capable of world domination in check.

That being said though, Russia isn't quite the best nation to "keep the US in check" because they just have a bad history with the US and a huge chip on their shoulder. So it could just be, like you said, the re-forming of a cold war. Which, as those who lived through it and those who heard the stories, wasn't a good time.

Interesting story, nonetheless. I'll be interested to see how this unfolds in the next decade.

[alphamikepapa]

A true leader. My kind of guy.

I respect your opinion comrade, but the subordinates of a true leader are willing to follow his directives and dont need to be forced.


as for the threat of mother Russia. Missiles right ok, thats about it. There air force and ground pounders are set back close to 20 years, I havent seen any large developments for them since there economic troubles of the mid to late 80s. The Russian navy while more or less state of the art probably can be only be sustained in combat for no more then a month or so. They have no forward strike capabilities (military installations near us from which they can strike us immidiately).

As for the empire style of the cold war era, the eastern block is quite different, I doubt that Poland, Bulgaria, etc. are willing to go back to the 1980 style alliance that there fathers had, I'm sure they would much rather pick and choose to go to the middle east and fight along side us rather then going alone for someone else.

The middle east, which the old soviet union had desired since the early seventies is completely different. Governments that in the past had been bullied and or persuaded into the soviet sphere of influence such as Iraq, Tajikastan, Azerbijan, Uzbecistan, Pakistan, etc. are now stronger and allied with us and NATO.

Southeast Asia is the only are that I would be any where near worried about, they dont seem to be politically, economically, or militarily stable enough to fight off soviet aggression.

[Dr.Jeckyl]

It's known fact that he has already siezed communist type control over the media, and is now hand picking his governors, dissing the whole democratic voting thing. This guy is an old style King.

A true leader. My kind of guy.

MONO, this doesn't sit good with me buddy. isn't this called a dictator?

[DaSmerg]

Russia has problems period.  These centralized. strong leader forumals haven't done much in the past to correct the poverty issues that still plague that nation even till today.  Not to mention that Russia is one of the few countries in the world where it's population trend is actually shrinking, not growing.

IMHO we need to start focusing our attentions on this hemisphere.  The left shift and strong anti-American feelings in south and central America could become a real problem in the very near future for all of us here in North America, especially considering the resource wealth of several of those nations.

[MrCouch]

I think Mono might have made a poor atempt at sarcasm.

[alphamikepapa]

strong anti-American fellings in south america will cause us problems verry soon, If you look at our trade with them, a quarter of the oil we consume comes from venezuela. and if we piss of the columbians where will we get cofee and..........and.............coke!?

[MONOLITH]

MONO, this doesn't sit good with me buddy. isn't this called a dictator?

I respect your opinion comrade, but the subordinates of a true leader are willing to follow his directives and dont need to be forced.

Even if a man goes about things in a manner that is different from your preferred way;

You still have to admire a man with the courage to set out on such endeavors, and achieve power doing it.

Even if you choose the 'bad guys' as an example, there's something enviable that a man has, who can rise to the top of an empire, as opposed to those of us sitting on the couch watching Homer Simpson as our lives waste away.


@alphamikepapa;

I didn't suggest Russia could or would invade anyone by next week with outdated equipment. But they are clearly on a certain path that should bring dark memories to many, and should be carefully watched by all.

[Frozyn]

You still have to admire a man with the courage to set out on such endeavors, and achieve power doing it.

Indeed. Regardless of whether or not you agree with him censoring the media, or creating a missile system that could kill us all, he deserves credit. MONO is probalby right in his assumption that the nukes are going to the subs on our coast - but no one knows for sure. I wish our government was able to do more things in secret and people not have a shit-fit about everything.

But, then again, I'm more willing than most to lose freedoms in order to gain security.

[Dr.Jeckyl]

you make a very valid point. i just seem to see all your political threads from my "looney left" view. :wink:

i have the same view about Hitler. he was an absolute horrible person, but he is, at the same time, a very fascinating person with a very powerful leadership role that he got in interesting ways, sneaky ways.

[Frozyn]

Hitler did amazing things as the leader of a country, especially when it comes to Germany's economy. It's too bad he was a psycho or he might've been able to do some incredible things for Germany and the world.

[MrCouch]

yeah but he sucked at art...apparently. :tongue:

[Fixxxer]

i have the same view about Hitler. he was an absolute horrible person, but he is, at the same time, a very fascinating person with a very powerful leadership role that he got in interesting ways, sneaky ways.

It scares some people, but I'll read ANYTHING to do with Hitler and the 3rd Reich. For one man to hold so much power over millions is, in itself, astonishing.

There's no denying that Hitler was about as bad as any human being can get, but that doesn't stop him from being a very interesting individual.

[sithdemon]

If russia could team up with china, they might be able to wage a decent conflict with the US. no one else aside from radical islam, has the stones to face down american air power. I'm sure the russians would even have a few suprises for the US military, and it would be cool/totally scary to see the chinese army (a million standing) march some god damn where (japan, taiwan, hong kong, germany?). Some actual air force battles, and open conflict with modern weapons (leaving civilians in the middle of too much firepower, to pray).

They also ain't doing to badly for them selves in terms of arms deals, they are making a killing in the mid-east, especially for those wireguided, and laser guided anti tank kits.

[Mofoka]

Even if a man goes about things in a manner that is different from your preferred way;

You still have to admire a man with the courage to set out on such endeavors, and achieve power doing it.

Even if you choose the 'bad guys' as an example, there's something enviable that a man has, who can rise to the top of an empire, as opposed to those of us sitting on the couch watching Homer Simpson as our lives waste away.

President Nemerov portrayed the same characteristics but was mistakenly masked in the same dictatorship darkness as this president. I am reminded of this movie after reading your post.

[alphamikepapa]

in my opinion, as many of you elude to aswell, Hitler and this Ruskey are not that different, niether are really incredibly intelligent but they bothe are just clever enough to take advantage of the political situation they are neck deep in. Hitler got in to office by basically promising that he would fix all of the extensive problem Germany had at the time. This new Russian is just able to take advantage of a week political system to put himself where he needs to be.


Not to be an asshole mono but; you might sit around and let your life waist while you watch homer simpson but I'm doin something with my life, and I like family guy better then the simpsons.

[MONOLITH]

Unless you somehow associate yourself with that personna, I don't see why that should have bothered you. I simply used an extreme generic reference as a comparison.
No one else seems to feel it was 'about them', but I guess that's something for you to sort out within yourself.

you might sit around and let your life waist while you watch homer simpson but I'm doin something with my life

Not me. I own my own Corporation, full time bodybuilder, I never even watch TV. Between the two of us, only one of us has ever seen 'the family guy'. :wink:

[Lostroth]

It scares some people, but I'll read ANYTHING to do with Hitler and the 3rd Reich. For one man to hold so much power over millions is, in itself, astonishing.

There's no denying that Hitler was about as bad as any human being can get, but that doesn't stop him from being a very interesting individual.

thanks god, i thought i was the only person who thought that. teacher in english one year was edgy that i wanted to do a project on him. he is a very fascinating person.

[alphamikepapa]

full time bodybuilder? they pay you for that?

I dont think it is bad that people may be interested in Hitler, fundamentally his intenions were good.he just wanted to change his life, the lives of his people, and the environment of his nation around to something better. Unfortunately he went about it completely wrong. So the way I see it, if you know that his actions were bad (not to mention the whole holocaust thing) then being interested in Hitler is not that bad.

[MONOLITH]

fundamentally his intenions were good.he just wanted to change his life, the lives of his people, and the environment of his nation around to something better.

Granted, I didn't study the man. But I would have to say this quote applies more to Putin, than Hitler.

Hitler's dreams of conquering all of Europe by violent force goes a little beyond wanting to improve the lives of the German population, IMO. And unless my history is askew, his own SS was as cruel to the German people as Saddam's henchmen were.