The rising threat of Mother Russia

[Lostroth]

hmmm 80% isn't that great when it comes to stopping missiles, especially if they're mini-nukes.

all it takes is one missile to get through to cripple Israel, or even the US.

damn it really is a scary situation. well here's hoping nothing happens.

[achilles118]

80% aint worth a damn when u consider that a medium sized nuclear payload has a blast radius if about 100 mi., the bigger guys get up to the size of texas.

*edit* dont quote me on this, i remeber hearing it somewhere but cant find a link now to back up the info *edit*

[Da Fish]

And even when you shoot the missile down, you are still going to have a radiological payload to clean up.... effectively turning a aimed nuclear device into a blind falling "dirty bomb".

[achilles118]

that all depends on the type of device and at what point you shoot it down. most devices like that would have a delayed trigger mechanism, prevents your own nuke from going off on your own country. if you knock it down before it is armed then your good, if not.......................................

[SilentEdge]

<clears throat>

So... MONO, considering you're clairvoyant, any stock picks for me?

[MONOLITH]

I TOLD YOU SO.

I TOLD YOU SO.

3 YEARS AGO, I TOLD YOU SO.

This is only phase 2 of his plan.

Phase 1 was flying test bombing runs into sovereign airspace of other countries a couple months ago, just in case we reacted to this.

[achilles118]

whats phase 3 monstradomas?

[MONOLITH]

Wait a few weeks and look out your window.



 

[Lostroth]

Everyone says Europe will the be the first target for Russia, i believe North America is Russia's first target. We are their biggest threat, once they put extreme pressure on us, whether it's through bombing or invasion, they will strike Europe.

the conflict in Georgia is the light that can ignite the fuse of the biggest shit-bomb the world has ever seen.

[achilles118]

Wait a few weeks and look out your window.

sure but it will be out the window of an uparmoured hmmwv, remember my profession.

Everyone says Europe will the be the first target for Russia, i believe North America is Russia's first target. We are their biggest threat, once they put extreme pressure on us, whether it's through bombing or invasion, they will strike Europe.

the conflict in Georgia is the light that can ignite the fuse of the biggest shit-bomb the world has ever seen.

maybe but its like Hitler said no one will succeed in invading the USA, there are too many guns.

[Fixxxer]

maybe but its like Hitler said no one will succeed in invading the USA, there are too many guns.

This may be 1 part paranoia and 2 parts frighteningly possible; but if you were Russia in this situation and your target was the USA, would you even consider a military invasion? Or would you look at options that operate on a larger scale? And have quite the access to such things.

That may be going a bit far, and even if that were to happen it could cripple the United States and pretty much destroy it economically. But at that point the US has nearly nothing to lose and those Ohio class subs would likely send hell their way.

It will just be interesting to see if this calms or escalates. I don't know much of Russia's intent really, but considering the somewhat "primitive" nature of an actual "invasion", I'd consider just about anything a possibility at this point.

My $0.02 CAD for what it's worth.

[achilles118]

at the beggining of the Russian invasion of Georgia the Georgian Army launch a mortar attack on a Russian position killing 12 and injuring 150 Russians; this tells me a 1 of a couple of things happened,

a.) disinformation from one side or another creating a desired world political view

b.) Georgians shot a whole hell of alot of mortars covering the target area causing mass cassualties

c.) Georgians have heat seeking mortars

d.) Georgians are snipers with mortars or fired them at point blank range

e.) Russian soldiers suck so much they dont even know how to get out from under falling explosives

my opinion is leaning toward a or e (c and d were meant to be sarcastic and I doubt the Georgian military has the budget to pull off b) either way Russian soldiers dont strike me as overly trained and competent.

[Lostroth]

start re-building those shelters

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7561926.stm

Poland has signed a preliminary deal with the US on plans to host part of the controversial US defence shield.

The proposal is for the US to base 10 missile interceptors in Poland in exchange for help strengthening Polish air defences.

[achilles118]

shelters aint gonna help you none and duh help them build air defenses;

just like if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball

if you can shoot down a missile you can shoot down a plane!!!

[Da Fish]

Everyone says Europe will the be the first target for Russia, i believe North America is Russia's first target. We are their biggest threat, once they put extreme pressure on us, whether it's through bombing or invasion, they will strike Europe.

the conflict in Georgia is the light that can ignite the fuse of the biggest shit-bomb the world has ever seen.

I disagree.
europe will be first. Mainly due to the fact that it is easier to invade a country from land than from sea. European nieghbours are most likely to be reliant on Russian energy reserves and more likely to capitulate when the Russians turn off the juice, roll the tanks through and move west. America wont be able to assist its NATO allies due to being over stretched in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Of course Europe needs to start looking into non-russian supplied forms of energy. Im becoming very aware of the russian stranglehold on the gas supplies we get.

You know what?.... bugger it, Im migrating to New Zealand!

[achilles118]

europe will be first. Mainly due to the fact that it is easier to invade a country from land than from sea. European nieghbours are most likely to be reliant on Russian energy reserves and more likely to capitulate when the Russians turn off the juice, roll the tanks through and move west. America wont be able to assist its NATO allies due to being over stretched in Afghanistan and Iraq.

the governments of both of those countries have a military and police force, we could actually leave those countries tomorrow if we really needed to. I would think that a Russian invasion of europe would find me in Poland quick.

You know what?.... bugger it, Im migrating to New Zealand!

kind of a shame I had always had a pipe dream of reimmigrating back to Ireland.

[Lostroth]

here is why i think Russia will hit the US/Canada first.

if Russia hits Europe first, we will be quick to act, and Russia would not be able to withstand hits from all sides.

if Russia hits North America first, how quick do you think Europe will react, or if they react at all? i for one think they wouldn't help. they would just fortify themselves thinking they can hold out on their own.

[achilles118]

here's some more food for thought. If worse comes to worse would europe use nuclear weapons in reaction to russia using them on North America?

[Da Fish]

here's some more food for thought. If worse comes to worse would europe use nuclear weapons in reaction to russia using them on North America?

Definately something to chew on....

I think Britain would, but not lightly. (military targets, lower populated areas etc etc)  the further east you would go i think the less likely the europeans would be to using them.

here is why i think Russia will hit the US/Canada first.

if Russia hits Europe first, we will be quick to act, and Russia would not be able to withstand hits from all sides.

if Russia hits North America first, how quick do you think Europe will react, or if they react at all? i for one think they wouldn't help. they would just fortify themselves thinking they can hold out on their own.

I dunno, NATO and the Commonwealth still stand for a lot. Considering most of europe is afraid of the big bear, the opportunity to strike at it with its back turned is extremely tempting. Of course only a idiot would open up a conflict on two fronts so it all depends on how brave/stupid the Russians feel!

Mind you, what is interesting is the fact that the russians have claimed most of the oil under the north pole. I cant see the conflict being fought round the world, but over it.

[Lostroth]

honestly, i believe NATO is close to crumbling. depends what happens in Afghanistan. Georgia has been pushing to be accepted into NATO, do you think they want in when the only help they have received so far is some aid from the US, and a lot of empty threats to Russia.

the old NATO would have poured troops, tanks, planes, anything they could into Georgia to protect them from Russia. it would turn into another East/West Germany, with each side waiting for the other to make a move.