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« on: January 13, 2008, 05:15:43 AM »

Grass Makes Better Ethanol than Corn Does
            Midwestern farms prove switchgrass could be the right crop for
            producing ethanol to replace gasoline
            By David Biello



            GRASS GAS: Turning fields of switchgrass like this one in
            northeastern Nebraska into ethanol produces 540 percent more energy
            than the amount consumed growing the native perennial.
            COURTESY OF USDA-ARS
            Farmers in Nebraska and the Dakotas brought the U.S. closer to
            becoming a biofuel economy, planting huge tracts of land for the
            first time with switchgrass—a native North American perennial grass
            (Panicum virgatum) that often grows on the borders of cropland
            naturally—and proving that it can deliver more than five times more
            energy than it takes to grow it.

            Working with the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), the farmers
            tracked the seed used to establish the plant, fertilizer used to
            boost its growth, fuel used to farm it, overall rainfall and the
            amount of grass ultimately harvested for five years on fields
            ranging from seven to 23 acres in size (three to nine hectares).

            Once established, the fields yielded from 5.2 to 11.1 metric tons of
            grass bales per hectare, depending on rainfall, says USDA plant
            scientist Ken Vogel. "It fluctuates with the timing of the
            precipitation,'' he says. "Switchgrass needs most of its moisture in
            spring and midsummer. If you get fall rains, it's not going to do
            that year's crops much good."

            But yields from a grass that only needs to be planted once would
            deliver an average of 13.1 megajoules of energy as ethanol for every
            megajoule of petroleum consumed—in the form of nitrogen fertilizers
            or diesel for tractors—growing them. "It's a prediction because
            right now there are no biorefineries built that handle cellulosic
            material" like that which switchgrass provides, Vogel notes. "We're
            pretty confident the ethanol yield is pretty close." This means that
            switchgrass ethanol delivers 540 percent of the energy used to
            produce it, compared with just roughly 25 percent more energy
            returned by corn-based ethanol according to the most optimistic
            studies.

            The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) is partially funding the
            construction of six such cellulosic biorefineries, estimated to cost
            a total of $1.2 billion. The first to be built will be the Range
            Fuels Biorefinery in Soperton, Ga., which will process wood waste
            from the timber industry into biofuels and chemicals. The DOE is
            providing an initial $50 million to start construction.

            "Cost competitive, energy responsible cellulosic ethanol made from
            switchgrass or from forestry waste like sawdust and wood chips
            requires a more complex refining process but it's worth the
            investment," Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman said at the Range Fuels
            facility groundbreaking in November. "Cellulosic ethanol contains
            more net energy and emits significantly fewer greenhouse gases than
            ethanol made from corn."

            In fact, Vogel and his team report this week in Proceedings of the
            National Academy of Sciences USA that switchgrass will store enough
            carbon in its relatively permanent root system to offset 94 percent
            of the greenhouse gases emitted both to cultivate it and from the
            derived ethanol burned by vehicles. Of course, this estimate also
            relies on using the leftover parts of the grass itself as fuel for
            the biorefinery. "The lignin in the plant cell walls can be burned,"
            Vogel says.

            The use of native prairie grasses is meant to avoid some of the
            other risks associated with biofuels such as reduced diversity of
            local animal life and displacing food crops with fuel crops. "This
            is an energy crop that can be grown on marginal land," Vogel argues,
            such as the more than 35 million acres (14.2 million hectares) of
            marginal land that farmers are currently paid not to plant under the
            terms of USDA's Conservation Reserve Program.

            But even a native prairie grass needs a helping hand from scientists
            and farmers to deliver the yields necessary to help ethanol become a
            viable alternative to petroleum-derived gasoline, Vogel argues. "To
            really maximize their yield potential, you need to provide nitrogen
            fertilization," he says, as well as improved breeding techniques and
            genetic strains. "Low input systems are just not going to be able to
            get the energy per acre needed to provide feed, fuel and fiber."
            http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=grass-makes-better-ethanol-than-corn

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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2008, 05:40:53 AM »

Lemmie just say this from the perspective of one who's family has done quite well from the rise in corn prices due to the promotion of ethanol:
Corn ethanol is NOT a viable fuel source.  It takes as much energy to create as it provides and we simply do not have enough space to grow the necessary amount required for our fuel consumption.
That is all.
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2008, 05:49:15 AM »

Lemmie just say this from the perspective of one who's family has done quite well from the rise in corn prices due to the promotion of ethanol:
Corn ethanol is NOT a viable fuel source.  It takes as much energy to create as it provides and we simply do not have enough space to grow the necessary amount required for our fuel consumption.
That is all.

I've heard that it costs more to for corn.  How does this apply to grass?


Now that oil is about 100 a barrel, i wonder what happened to synthetic oil.  I think that costed about 80-85 bucks a barrel. 
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2008, 12:27:17 PM »

I'm still on my first cup of coffe here, but does that switchgrass yeild more than 300 gallons per acre, per crop cycle? And how many crop cycles can you fit into a year? And can it also be used for foodstuff, clothing, paper goods, and does it contain over 400 chemical components which would be quite useful to the medical industry? 

Just curious?  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2008, 02:41:34 AM »

I'm still on my first cup of coffe here, but does that switchgrass yeild more than 300 gallons per acre, per crop cycle? And how many crop cycles can you fit into a year? And can it also be used for foodstuff, clothing, paper goods, and does it contain over 400 chemical components which would be quite useful to the medical industry? 

Just curious?  Wink

I'm all for the search for crude oil, but at the rate we're going we have a little over 121 years of oil reserves.

Now, that's much longer than I need. But the human race has become so dependent on crude oil, and becomes more so every year, that the search for an alternative is never too soon.
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2008, 12:50:37 PM »

food stuff, clothing, paper products, and the medical feild are all important but................................what we need is a high yeild energy source to solve the growing energy crisis in the world today.
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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2008, 02:28:04 AM »

I was sort of hinting toward hemp oil Guy's, it provides plenty of bang for the buck at an estimated $1.50 a gallon once processed, (Acording to the alternative fuels documentary I saw the other day) and you get all that other neat stuff I mentioned as a byproduct.

I'm just trying to figure out what the equivalent yeild from an acre of switchgrass would be per anum.
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2008, 01:31:54 PM »

dangerous, but if it works Im kinda for it.
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2008, 07:58:06 AM »

If by the Use of the the word "hemp" you mean "hemp" rather than "marijuana", then there shouldnt be anything that dangerous about it. Hemp is grown to be very low of the Cannabinoids/THC found in Marijuana.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

In the UK there has been a lot of interest in used chip/fries oil and converting it into diesel.

That said, im still wondering what happened to the "food mountain" i was educated about at school. One moment we're over producing food, the next we are wondering if we are going to have enough crop space!
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2008, 03:29:42 AM »

If,,,you mean "hemp" rather than "marijuana", then there shouldnt be anything that dangerous about it.

In the UK there has been a lot of interest in used chip/fries oil and converting it into diesel.


I was actually referring to both forms, not really harmful in either case and something tells me we'll see some progress toward repealing this sensless war against a plant within a few years. (just pot specificly, not the other shit.) People have had enough of folks being turned to felons for something that even some Presidents and candidates have acknowledged use of.

Of course, thats just my own perspective on the scenario.

That bio-diesil from cooking oil is a cool idea, they've even started marketing small 100 gallon processing plants for home use here. Of course once any number of people in an area get set up, we'll start to see gunfights behind the Mickie D's for the waste oil.
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