The year is 2008...

[Da Fish]

I dont know if any of you have seen this, but im scared as to how close and accurate this actually this...


(many of you may recognise this)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7548715.stm

(Im undecided if this should be here, or in the political discussion forum, so if the mods feel it more appropriate to move then go for it!)

[achilles118]

yeah it prolly should be in the politics forum. Thats Tom Clancy style, he is verry well educated in world politics and military and this isnt the first time something with his name on it has come close to coming true. In "Debt of Honor" a fanatical Japanese flew an airline into congress, in real life it was a group of fanatical muslims and they hit the wtc and the pentagon. In "Teeth of the Tiger" the U.S. government sets up a super secret counter intelligence unit, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterintelligence_Field_Activity , yep he knows what he's talkin bout. Which makes me wonder about his cold war era novels, in "The Sum of All Fears" the U.S. and Russian intelligence services had a back door contact they used to avoid nuclear disaster and in "The Hunt for Red October" the CIA steal a russian nuclear sub. Those may be far fetched but Im sure that there are alot of things that go down with out us knowing about it, we'll prolly never know but it does make me wonder if this kinda thing really does happen beyond hollywood and clancy's imagination.



p.s. nothing will ever beat the original gr

[farmboy]

yeah, i think i've made similar comments about "GR is REAL!" in the russia thread.  it's eerie what's been going on.

[Lostroth]

i would move this to the Politics Forum.

it is scary how similar today is to Ghost Recon.

http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,78757.0.html

[Da Fish]

Im unable to check at the moment (at work), but does this guy remind anyone of someone of the first mission?


(img from the bbc/AFP)

Or Perhaps Im just seeing things where I want to see them...

Yeah the original does rock, but sometimes I think art should imitate life, not the other way around

[Swedish_Seb]

This needs to be moved nowhere. There's ten or so posters still visiting this site so we need only one forum.

Tom Clancy is a senile old man who thinks you can win a war by just believing you're the good guys.
I've read Red Storm Rising through The Bear and the Dragon and though he knows his weapons, I've seen nothing that shows that he knows shit about world politics.

I never played Ghost Recon so all I can say is that Ding Chavez must be Hugo's long lost son.

[achilles118]

Tom Clancy is a senile old man who thinks you can win a war by just believing you're the good guys.

I havent seen anything to prove this and esprit de corps does alot for the strength of a military.

I've read Red Storm Rising through The Bear and the Dragon and though he knows his weapons, I've seen nothing that shows that he knows shit about world politics.

that being said, im almost certain that you are not a politician making anything you say an opinion (just like what I said).

anyways I wonder what will come of the russian invasion of georgia either way I will start cleaning my gear.

this makes the russians seem like they atleast have a desent arguement;

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080808/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia

this one claims ethinc cleansing in the south ossetia and gives the georians a huge advantage as far as cassualties and such;

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,399962,00.html

this one gives you a whole new set of numbers but also emphasizes the civillian cassualties;

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.ossetia/index.html



ok so heres what im getting, georgia is fighting a civil war it should have fought 15 years ago, Russia sends "peace keepers" which technically invade Georgia. Russian "peace keepers' can hardly be considered peace keepers seeing as how they are in a feirce battle (if you are in a fierce battle you are not exactly keeping peace). Claims of ethnic clensing come from the refugees, could be true could be propoganda.

[farmboy]

There's ten or so posters still visiting this site so we need only one forum.

kind of sad, isn't it?  this used to be one of the most talented modding communities on the web.  now look at it...
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[Lazerblade]

Blasphemy. I still visit this forum daily. I may not post daily, but I do visit. I read all new posts (except the music section, not really interested in the posts there). The problem is the lack of games that really bond players and hold them. Clancy's games did that, up until the most recent 3 or 4, which tended to be geared towards console-style gameplay and limited content.

Someone needs to remake Rogue Spear or Rainbow Six, complete with editor, but with a modern facelift and fresh content (user-made maps will certainly accommodate that).

[Da Fish]

ok so heres what im getting, georgia is fighting a civil war it should have fought 15 years ago, Russia sends "peace keepers" which technically invade Georgia. Russian "peace keepers' can hardly be considered peace keepers seeing as how they are in a feirce battle (if you are in a fierce battle you are not exactly keeping peace). Claims of ethnic clensing come from the refugees, could be true could be propoganda.

Here is one for you....

Our peacekeepers and the units attached to them are currently carrying out an operation to force the Georgian side to [agree to] peace

Russian President Mevdev.

If that is political bullying then what the hell is?

Farmboy: They are all waiting for Ground Branch!

[Swedish_Seb]

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I read Russian peace keepers.
Given the current situation my mind was quickly made up though.
Ethnic cleansing? Maybe true, but I smell oil.

[achilles118]

honestly the hole thing smells of political bull**** its typical Russian m.o., they dont like the Georgian government feeling that Georgia should still be under there control so when violence breaks out they come to the "aid" of the South Ossetian populace claiming most of the civilians have Russian citizenship (just like they did in Austria-Hungary in 1914). Granted Georgia still has a claim to the South Ossetia seeing as how South Ossetia never official seceeded from the Georgian government but it is verry ospicious (sp?) that over 15 years later, when the Georgian military is committed to another conflict (they are the 3rd largest contributer in troop strength to OIF) for them to take military action. So skipping the diplomatic "knock it off" Russia invades Georgia forcing Georgia to call for a cease fire. Mean while, probably the biggest loser in the mix, other than the civilian cassualties of course, is in fact the U.S., with the Brits leaving Basra and now the Georgian troops turning tail to return home and deal with there domestic issues, it's up to the U.S. military with help from the Australians and the Italians left in Iraq. Wow its amazing how the cookie crumbles and something in the smallest most unheard of peice of dirt affect the whole human race.

[Da Fish]

woah woah woah...

There are more conflicts going on in the world than simply Iraq. If I remember correctly a small backwater country called Afghanistan which has recently seen increased British presence there. Britain doesn't have the population America does to man an equivalent sized armed forces to enable us to go all over the world.

Of course Georgia has been aligning its self with Western Europe and the US for the last 15 or so years. Evident enough in the Georgian Troops pictured wearing MARPAT and switching to armalites/NATO rounds.

The Russians have been trying to get a UN statement out to call for the end of Georgian aggression. To which the Americans, French and British have been debating over, trying to apportion the blame fairly on both sides. Suprisingly enough the Chinese with no military or economic interest in the region have been keeping there mouths shut! All of a sudden the Russians don't like it when they get no support from other permanent members of the security council. Give and Take is the name of the game and apparently our [not so] friendly big red bears in the east have been taking [the piss] for too long.

[achilles118]

you are correct, afghanistan is also a big part of our military diet, as well as the brits, spanish, germans, canadians, etc. much more of a coalition there many more nations share the burden.

the ruskies have been handing out there fair share of b.s. recently in world conflicts, aka the proxy war going on in iraq and afghanistan right now. I dont feel srry for them at all.

muscle bound whitey was right:

http://www.theplatoon.com/forum/politics-and-religion/the-rising-threat-of-mother-russia/0/

[achilles118]

here it is, the Bush administration finally takes a real position on this;

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080810/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_russia_georgia

The Bush administration official, who briefed reporters on condition his name not be used because of the sensitive nature of the situation, said Russia has attacked areas in Georgia that are far away from the separatist province of South Ossetia, where the fighting has centered. The official also said the Russian military is striking civilian targets.

sounds like someones building a case

[Da Fish]

Lol, I bet Mono is feeling very smug right now!

Apparently the Russians have also hit targets close to the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline in the deep south of the country.

Unfortunately the Russians have most of Europe over a barrel with this one as its a major supplier of gas (not petrol/gasoline) to central/western Europe. Europe will probably only react if its energy supplies are threatened. Which is a sad state of affairs and one which Im not overly impressed with.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7552908.stm

American fears that Russians want to implement regime change.

If the Russians want to play it cool, they will stop now. The ability to restrain their armed forces will do much to reflect the ability to release them. apparently according to this...
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Georgia-Fighting-Hundreds-Killed-And-Made-Homeless-By-Conflict-In-South-Ossetia/Article/200808215074624?lpos=World%2BNews_0&lid=ARTICLE_15074624_Georgia%2BFighting%253A%2BHundreds%2BKilled%2BAnd%2BMade%2BHomeless%2BBy%2BConflict%2BIn%2BSouth%2BOssetia

It seems the Russians are going beyond there public "mandate" (for use of a better word).

Also I dont know if anyone else has noticed, but there seems to be a lot of Georgian soldiers running around with MARPAT and AK's...

[achilles118]

yeah Georgia is a big NATO ally, they've been pushing for acceptance into NATO for a while hence the uniforms,  which arent not exactly marpat I might have to look again but it might be cadpat.I stand corrected they are wearing U.S. Marine style Marpat with American style interceptor body armour. [sarcasm] Im sure that there alliance with the west has nothing to do with Russian aggressian either [sarcasm/] What I wanna know is what are the civillian cassualties and what if anything will anyone do about it.

[Da Fish]

Given the current situation the only stats I would trust would be aid agencies/UNHCR.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7553144.stm

Apparently its taken the US a little while to get their cards together. Here's hoping they have an ace! .

I bet there are the last few of the old school brass in the pentagon, rubbing their hands with anticipation of having a go at the big red bear!

[achilles118]

I bet there are the last few of the old school brass in the pentagon, rubbing their hands with anticipation of having a go at the big red bear!

hhhhhhhhmm not really, I guess maybe but prolly not. I guess it would beat Iraq but i dont think it'll come to that.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia

Putin critizes the U.S. for air lifting Georgian troops

uuuuuuuuuummm.........f*ck you, but seriously who takes Putin seriously anymore I mean yeah he's the leader of one of the strongest countries in the world but he is so obviously phoney and is one of the world worst desicion makers.He's powerful but not talented or smart.

[farmboy]

Here's hoping they have an ace! .

For one group of elite soldiers, the war has already begun...

Seriously, I would not be surprised if there's a delta force battalion on the ground already.