oil hit a new high yesterday...

[DaSmerg]

something to chew on (most of you have thought of this, but for those who haven't): average gas price in Minneapolis/St. Paul metro area is $2.99/gallon (and probably more in bigger metro areas across the country).  with a 15 gallon tank (typical for suv's and trucks), and including tax, the total comes to over $45.00 / fill.

Hope you're makin $$$ or got a prius or bike, cause otherwise you ain't going anywhere for the next 4 or so months.

Now figure how much it costs to fuel up the transport truck that delivers pretty much everything we consume (or parts of the thing you are consuming).

The two major airlines up here have already announced higher fairs starting Monday to offset the rising fuel costs  :neutral:.

[Phoenix]

cost me £25/$45.37 to fill my tank. not too bad

[Leader Of The Ghost]

Sh*t it cost alot in scotland for gas......here in Canada Quebec it cost 50-60$ canadian or on the americain side it cost 35-40$ to gas up for a Dodge Neon i got last week....

[BajaBravo]

Cracked a buck a litre today here. That's like $3.35 USD a gallon.

[Blitz]

Yeah really, it seems like this is the homestretch for oil as an energy source so the barons are cashing in while they still can. Luckily my company picks up the bill for petrol, but the bills for the house are getting outrageous.

[Da Fish]

cost me £25/$45.37 to fill my tank. not too bad

of course it all depends on what you drive!

It cost me about £30 to fill my little 40L Corsa tank.

locally its 89.9p per Litre, but I've seen prices as high as 93p per litre on motor ways!

Oh and re: the Fuel strike thing a few years ago: It was about the level of tax on fuel more than the price itself. The truckers dont really have much of a leg to stand on considering China need more petrol and the current nuke crisis with Iran!

Allegedly you can run diesel engines on used vegetable oil. Not that I'd risk it though!

[sithdemon]

Peak oil is one of the main causes of this crisis, so strikes won't help, unless the oil companies want to make less profit. Speaking of profit they made I think 7 billion in the last 3 months. The general instability in the oil rich region, mostly thanks to the US these days, since isreal is sort of working with the palestinians these days especially with the gaza pull out.

All those factors with contries like china comming online means there is going to be less easy to get out of the ground, cheap oil, with every one fighting over it, so price can only go up from here.

Some contries, japan mostly, aren't sitting around for crisis to hit, they have a national plan for getting off oil.

Here in canada CP rail is testing 5 hybrid engine trains, with the option to buy 15 more if it works out. we have one sad little windmill in toronto, but our mayor is planning to build a solar farm next to it.

If your planning on buying a car, think abour a prius atleast, if not a electric car. It might seem rash, but the overall evidence seems to indicate that oil economies are a thing of the past, if some how they manage to find a massive deposit in the next little while, get a different kind of car for less pollution, cause that problem IS a reality.

[SkyJockey]

Now figure how much it costs to fuel up the transport truck that delivers pretty much everything we consume (or parts of the thing you are consuming).

The two major airlines up here have already announced higher fairs starting Monday to offset the rising fuel costs  :neutral:.

and Airliners get fuel for extremely discounted prices.  I remember when I was a sophomore in highschool my family took a trip to Georgia.  I recall seeing 87 octane prices for as low as $.75/gallon.

[Fixxxer]

If your planning on buying a car, think abour a prius atleast, if not a electric car.

The thought here is logical, but in practice it's actually no cheaper, if not more expensive to get a Prius over other conventional cars.

A base Prius will set you back about $38,000 CAD while a base Corolla will set you back about $21,000 CAD. You're paying nearly double on the car to save some money on gas. By the time you save $17,000 CAD on gas you will have most likely already needed to buy a new car.

Prius pricing

Corolla pricing

For now, the demand for oil will stay until we can cut the cost of hybrid/electric cars. Right now they're no better economically.

[Dr.Jeckyl]

it also doesn't help that big oil is in the pockets of just about every politician in higher power, from congress on up.

[D1-007]

I think this is a plot to get people riding bikes and walking to work instead of driving, in order to take care of our (our being the the US) over-weight problem.  It's just a theory but I'm working on it. :smile:

[Leader Of The Ghost]

I think this is a plot to get people riding bikes and walking to work instead of driving, in order to take care of our (our being the the US) over-weight problem.  It's just a theory but I'm working on it. :smile:

Your theory could be true and not true we don't know and no one else knows except the gouverment so.....but it could be a very good reason

[FritzDaKat]

It's really got me thinking of trying this idea out

http://www.lindsaybks.com/bks/producer/index.html

I dont think it's gonna get along with my 92' Rustang's EFI system but I did see a "nice" 43' Ford pick-up that would handle it.


And BTW, has anyone heard any follow up about that story from 2001-ish about converting our animal and vegetable waste into a sort of synthetic crude suitable for producing Gas from?

[Fixxxer]

And BTW, has anyone heard any follow up about that story from 2001-ish about converting our animal and vegetable waste into a sort of synthetic crude suitable for producing Gas from?

I'll try to dig up an article, but I did see on Discovery Channel that a team of college students are working on (and have successfully done, IIRC) turning the oil used for cooking fries and the like at McDonald's and other fast food joints as a means of fuel for cars.

As far as I can remember they got the same, if not better, milage as conventional petroleum, but the only difference was you're car smelled like fries when you were driving.

If I can find the article I'll definatly post it. It was pretty interesting.

[Dr.Jeckyl]

it's called bio or veggie diesel. it can be made from either waste frying oil(from mcdonalds or BK), veggie biproducts or i think lard also. in my small town i live in there is about 5-7 BIG SUVs ie: expeditions and suburbans that run on it. there are some gas stations scattered about that sell the stuff.

[Dr.Jeckyl]

http://www.biodiesel.org/

[FritzDaKat]

Hmmm, not quite what I was thinking I dont think. I remember they had a big article on it in US News back around 01' prior to Thanksgiving, in the article the main focus seemed to be converting all the leftover turkey part's and such into useable gas, motor oil, plastics ect. It was as if they had found a method to make synthetic crude oil. It also went on to say other items / matter could be used but for some reason they were focusing on working with one waste source for startup and testing. If I find it I'll add a note. Definatly something worth hounding my congressman over IMO.

[sithdemon]

Hmmmm your right FIXXXER, I thought the prius had come down in price, but I guess since they are still selling in small volumes it's not getting the full effect of large manufacturing.

The one thing that you missed is that you do get a tax rebate from the government when you buy one of these, from what I remember it was about $2000.

aside from that you'd still polluting farless, but understandibly thats a hard decision to make if it's gonna cost you a extra $17,000 up front, since you don't see the tax rebate for a while. It would be a good choice for some one with a Real good job.

Thing is if gas keeps going up, that that price difference is gonna start becomming more and more important.

I wonder how much the goverment of japan is helping subsidize those kinna cars, cause if were giving out small rebates, over there it must much better. Cause their president wants a prius or electric car in every home, for those that have to have cars.

[Fixxxer]

aside from that you'd still polluting farless, but understandibly thats a hard decision to make if it's gonna cost you a extra $17,000 up front

As far as pollution is concerned obviously a hybrid/electric car is the way to go. But trying to choose between long term enviroment needs against your short term income, it's pretty obvious what most people will choose. With the cost of living (in Toronto and other big metropolitans) as high as it is, people just can't afford to spend more to help the enviroment. As sad as that sounds, but unfortunatly your (or my) needs outweigh our great grandchildren's because we're here now. I'm all for helping the enviroment, but I won't live in poverty for it.

If they weren't so expensive/ugly I would look into getting one myself. But not only are they really expensive, repairs can't be cheap on a hybrid engine. They're still so new most mechanics would probably rape you in repair costs. Only thing saving you would be getting an extended warrenty or something.

[Texan]

http://www.biodiesel.org/

They sell that at carl's corner truckstop north of Hillsboro Texas