In about a month I'm looking at a new PC

[Aramis]

huh? because you think they are amd bound? lol, thats the worst peice of poo i have heard of... why because the fact that intel wasnt doing as well as you and others wanted them to do? because every other site wasnt showing the same results?  lol.

they showed exact figures and the same way they did them, its not bad jurno at all.  

and most of these tests are not GPU bound at all... they are CPU BOUND , meaning you have to have a faster CPU, not gpu... hello, that throughs your arguement right out the window.

im just defending - i still think that both are great but im still defending the article at hardocp - not hardocp themselfs (mabe alittle )

Reading comprehension for the win. Look- I said his tests were GPU bound- meaning, they ended up hitting the top-end of what the graphics cards could do and not the processor. Any time you want to show what a processor can do vs. another processor, having both of them limited by the ceiling of the graphics card means you end up with them looking very similar.

That's why most processor tests/comparisons/benchmarks choose lower resolutions- to show the ability of the PROCESSOR, not the graphics card.

[H] made a very good point in those benchmarks, showing that with the current generation of video cards, an end-user won't see much difference between an AM2 or a Conroe/Core2duo. This is a great point- you don't have to drop dough for a new processor if you already have some of the latest and greatest.

However, where the bad journalism comes in, is that he never stated that the tests were GPU bound. You, me, and other tech-savvy people were able to pick up on that, but by not specifying it in his tests it comes across as a little bit underhanded, especially when originally the point of the article was to compare the processors. If the title and some of the writing had been changed, I wouldn't have an issue with it.

*edit* And, to add to that, I couldn't care less which company is on top, but I do care that I know which is the clear leader. Muddying it up in fanboi writing is something I don't really expect from a quality site.

[sithdemon]

Well I'm not overclocking anything, which is partially why I'm dropping the extra dough on the 1900 xtx, though don't look at market price, cause i'm getting it at cost from my store.

I know the core 2 duos, can over clock fairly easily, but I try to avoid over clocking in general, especially after trying the software overclocking with my vidcard. It ran stablely but it artifacted.

And to add to aramis's and mindless's discusion, like I said on the first page, the only reason I'm not going AMD2 is the techs telling me how shotty the boards are, and me seeing enough customers bring them back. This is partially why I went ATI this time, so that in the future, if AMD3 boards are better, I can take my ATI card, and hopefully put it in a good AMD board, with a killer ATI/AMD chipset.

[MindlessOath]

there are issues with some am2 boards but those are usually only oem's. the enthusiest boards you can buy on the net are actually better, but not all of them.  i hear they are scarce too so its really not a good sign to see. i hate oem's who make there own or choose crappy boards without effecant testing - sometimes they just take what there is because its new they have so little to choose from

[sithdemon]

Naw I've seen all kinds of AM2 boards come back to the shop, 939s seem rock solid, but are basicly phazed out. All my socket A boards are still running, my a7v333 thats in my mothers computer, was acting up today, but with some cogoling it acted right. And the pentium 3 in my dads comp, with the voodoo 3, still doing fine, but now he finally wants some more power, luckily I'm upgrading.

AMD just needs to get the board makers in line, or help them to do that. They've gained enough market share, but now it's about keeping it, and making it grow. That means ALWAYS having good to amazing quality for your products and the people that help your products work.

[MindlessOath]

where do you work?

[sithdemon]

http://www.canadacomputers.com/

Specificly the north york location.

[MindlessOath]

ohh ok.  so you get most of canada ordering from you guys. thats good!  i hear so many people in canada talk about that compainy.  its not exactly newegg, but still good.

[sithdemon]

It's a pretty decent chain, back in the day it was THE store pretty much for enthusiasts, not ALWAYS the cheapest, but USUALLY the cheapest. These days it's Cheap enough, with more then enough selection, and gets new stuff quickly. The only stores that have better prices, have things like 25% restocking fees and not nearly the same selection, and volume of that selection, we have max 25% on cell phones, and 15% on most things, sometimes not even that.

OH and I got all the parts now, just waiting till thursday ff to get building, since it's my day off. Hopefully everything works!