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« on: September 13, 2006, 11:33:36 PM »

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213175,00.html

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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2006, 11:43:02 PM »

Free Demo for god warriors.

http://www.leftbehindgames.com/pages/downloads.php
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2006, 01:37:09 AM »

I really hope there's an option to become a minion of the anti-christ. Or the anti-christ himself. I'd buy it just for that option.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2006, 01:45:56 AM »

I'm really not quite sure what to make of this game...

http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/131/928956_20060512_screen007.jpg
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http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/131/928956_20060512_screen012.jpg

It looks like random violence. I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but those screenshots basically look like NYC under martial law and a bunch of civilians are being executed.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2006, 12:10:13 PM »

You'd think with all the money Christian groups bring in every year they could afford to hire game designers with better production values...

~Mike
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2006, 01:12:45 PM »

well, i've always wondered how one could make a game that incorperates christian values and is actually fun at the same time.  i'm not thinking this'll meet either of those criteria...oh well
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2006, 03:09:39 PM »

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You'd think with all the money Christian groups bring in every year they could afford to hire game designers with better production values...

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Money dosen't make good games, look at EAs track record. Making games IS like making any kind of art production, specificly something that requires a art TEAM that works well together. Even the simpsons creatvie teams had up and down years. If a game development team is driven primarily by making a "christian" game first, and a good game second, you get stuff like this, or other christian games that I've tried out that are just Doom/quke rip offs, ironicly enough.

What they need is a veteran development team, that makes a GOOD game first, then worries if the content is considered to be in line with christian values.

If America's Army is any indication, gamers will ANY good game, even if the agenda behind it isn't just about having fun with your free time. However any gamer, even a dedicated christian, isn't gonna waste their time with a mediocre game.
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2006, 06:19:26 PM »

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If a game development team is driven primarily by making a "christian" game first, and a good game second, you get stuff like this...


But where is the Christian in this game? Whether the game is good or bad is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned. I want to know how this game is at all Christian. Is it because they're "fighting the forces of evil"? If so, every game I play aside from Postal and GTA are all Christian games.
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2006, 07:45:03 PM »

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But where is the Christian in this game?  I want to know how this game is at all Christian.


Did you read the entire article?

Or are you saying it simply isn't the 'christian' in the sense that you think christian should be?

I'm with you, that I typically throw " 'where's the love thy neighbor' in your 'christian claims' " at people; but the true reality of christian history right from the bible is more full of bloodshed and sexuality than peace and love.

I guess christianity in it's lowest denominator is more about do you believe in the deity, than are you a non violent peace seeking celibate.

Look at the Crusades.

More to the point, the games makers clearly express their biblical/religious theme behind the game; Convert the post nuke survivors to jesus believers before the devil claims them.

Set in New York, the game begins with smoldering landscapes, the eerie streets and wandering nonbelievers and evildoers. The object is to convert nonbelievers and ultimately prevent evil forces from taking over the world.


'Evil forces' being in the biblical sense.
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2006, 08:47:24 PM »

I didn't read the article prior to my post but have since. But strictly based on the uprise Doom 3 got for all it's "Satanic symbols" and such, I fail to see how this game is any more Christian from the looks of it. Both games you do the same thing (apparently), you fight the forces of evil.

Why is this game not only okay, but is a front-runner for Christian games?

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The object is to convert nonbelievers and ultimately prevent evil forces from taking over the world.

If it wasn't for the fact that I really don't care, I would have something to say about this. I'm a non-believer and the focus of this game is to throw your beliefs upon others? Give me a break.

I'm going to download the game and play nothing but multiplayer and kill innocent followers.

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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2006, 09:49:15 PM »

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If a game development team is driven primarily by making a "christian" game first, and a good game second, you get stuff like this, or other christian games that I've tried out that are just Doom/quke rip offs, ironicly enough.

What they need is a veteran development team, that makes a GOOD game first, then worries if the content is considered to be in line with christian values.


I agree and disagree.
I agree that the majority of the Christian themed games out there are just christian values tacked on to a 5 year old engines and poor production values. But, I don't think you should leave Christianity out of the design process entirely. There needs to be a balance. You might get an up to date engine and high production values, but you still end up with a superficial and "tacked on" Christian theme. The Christian theme needs to be an integral part of the design process IMHO.

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Money dosen't make good games, look at EAs track record.


Sure, it isn't necessary to have a lot of money to make a good game, but in the absence of money you need a team that is a) highly talented (able to fill many roles and do a lot with very little) and b) willing to work for less then they could make elsewhere and sacrifice personal time for the project -- in otherwords, they need to be very dedicated to the game. Big companies can pull in big talent (with money), but getting the dedication is a bit harder. It's seems more common to see this level of dedication at the smaller producers, who are putting most of their energy into one or two projects and working with smaller teams.

That said, EA games is a huge company, and every game it's put a lot of money behind has had high production values (IMHO). After all, money can be a good way to "get" the good team to work on your project. EA definitely has it's low quality shovel-ware, but these projects aren't getting nearly the same budgets as projects like The Sims 2, Medal of Honor, and the other "big" titles. I doubt EA is wasting the best of it's programming and design/art talent on these projects.

The point I was trying to make was that many Christian businesses certainly have the money (and the dedication) needed to push out a quality game. Christianity is the largest religion in the world, so there are obviously talented artists, programmers, and designers out there who also fall under the catagory "devout Christian". What they seem to lack most is a realized market. Without a market it's hard to get the serious financial backing needed to bring on veteran talent and see them through to the production of a decent Christian themed game.
There is a market for these games (IMHO), but it's never going to take of if it is saturated with the junk that keeps getting turned out. It's going to take a company/organization willing to put serious money (money they might not see again) into a high quality game to open the market up -- not just someone looking to make a fast buck by putting a Chrstian sticker on dated software and bad design. That or, as you said, a group of very dedicated, very talented freelancers who do it on their own.

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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2006, 09:54:23 PM »

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Set in New York, the game begins with smoldering landscapes, the eerie streets and wandering nonbelievers and evildoers. The object is to convert nonbelievers and ultimately prevent evil forces from taking over the world.


Would it really be that hard to convert non-believers during the apocalypse?

I mean, I'm a nonbeliever, but if it was raining fire and brimstone and the forces of satan were roaming around I think I'd become a believer pretty quickly.
:tongue:

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Players, as commanders of the forces of good, need to make sure their people are housed and fed, nurtured with prayer and armed to defend themselves for eventual battle.


I get to play as David Koresh?

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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2006, 12:57:31 AM »

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I get to play as David Koresh?

~Mike


Lol.  :cookie:
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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2006, 04:38:04 AM »

Can you imagine how ape-shit people would get if they came out with an Militant-Islam based game? Yeeks.

Not to pull this too far off topic, but anyone ever hear of this game?: http://www.columbinegame.com/

It's been in the news a lot up here because of yesterday's Dawson College shootings in Montreal.
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2006, 10:29:04 PM »

So can I play as the anti-christ or not?
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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2006, 12:51:52 AM »

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So can I play as the anti-christ or not?


Only in the Expansion: "Left Behind: Beelzebub Stirkes Back"

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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2006, 01:21:13 AM »

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Only in the Expansion: "Left Behind: Beelzebub Stirkes Back"

~Mike


Does that mean the follow on from that is going to be "Left Behind: Return of the Jesus"?

Edit: I just looked at the front cover................ For post apocalypse, New York seems to have done ok!

Also do you get help from handy speeches from the pope?
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2006, 08:23:36 AM »

I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head at that game.  My first inclination is to ask "What about 'love thy neighbor?'" when I see crap like this.
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