ghost rider 2006

[sithdemon]

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/ghostrider/

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6141191.html

from the gamespot article of the game:

While it also has comic book roots, Ghost Rider (thegame) is primarily based on the Nicolas Cage movie of the same name, due in theaters from Sony Pictures in summer 2006. Directed by Mark Steven Johnson (Daredevil, Simon Birch) and based on the Marvel comic, the horror-action movie will star Nicolas Cage as Johnny Blaze, a motorcycle-mad stuntman who becomes possessed by an avenging demon.

not even a teaser yet, but this is actually making sense, cause he's the next anti-hero after wolverine, and they've done blade. nick cage though? I'm not sure I see him as the spirit of vengance, he's literally going to have to channle alot more rage then usual.

[MindlessOath]

1. they probably wont use the "ghost rider" song from henry rollins.
2. the guys who did daredevil... sucks.
3.... got to go.

[sithdemon]

yeah movies like daredevil, and catwoman, are tripe. however even the average/decent ones are pretty good these days, fantastic 4, hulk, blade. Blade especially will be the blue print they use for ghost rider, even the wolverine movie will end up sans some gore to keep it okay for kids. hopefully it'll be like blade one, and not 2 and 3. a decent story, with the natural artistic understanding that comes from marvel, and a charecter that projects even more easily, shouldn't be that hard to make for film.

However batman 3/4 (more 4) proves that anyone can screw up iconic charecters to the point of insanity. though I should watch daredevil, and catwoman to see which is worse.

But I mean it's a guy with a flaming skull head, leather jacket, chanins, and a bike with fire wheels. come on.

[MindlessOath]

the first blade wasnt so bad, secound blade was worse but still not really bad, just bad. batman was a really good movie, better than other batmans, and those were bad (but good in some ways).

all the other movies suck, hulk, spiderman, electra, daredevil etc.

do i think ghost rider will be good with the cast?  i doubt it.

[Swedish_Seb]

But I mean it's a guy with a flaming skull head, leather jacket, chanins, and a bike with fire wheels. come on.

I'll make sure I spare my self lobotomy of watching this flick.

[Aramis]

Dunno if you guys noticed but if you click "the rider revealed" on http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/ghostrider/ it shows a super short teaser. It looks like bad cgi... BLEH.

[MONOLITH]

Hhmmmmm.

Ghost Rider and The Punisher were always my favorites. Even as a little kid I leaned towards things of dark retribution.

I thought they screwed up The Punisher movie.

And I really, really think Cage is completely the wrong actor for that role.

[Fixxxer]

And I really, really think Cage is completely the wrong actor for that role.

Cage is the wrong actor for any role. He can be decent at times, but he's too over dramatic and phoney most of the time.

[sithdemon]

hmmm yeah thats not enough to make a judgement on, but its not the greatest start. And yeah cage seems more like a thinker, where ghost rider is suppose to be all out involved.

I guess stuff like hellboy (which I though was awsome, and true to the comics) will put the major labels/movie studios to shame. Thank god for frank miller.

[Mutt_Dog]

Cage is the wrong actor for any role. He can be decent at times, but he's too over dramatic and phoney most of the time.

Guess you never saw him in Lord of War...or National Treasure, or Leaving Las Vegas (what he won a Academy Award (best actor) for)....I think he's a pretty good actor myself...but thats my opinion.

[Fixxxer]

I haven't seen Lord of War or National Treasure. Aside from the terrible story lines (I mean a treasure map on the back of the Decloration of Independence?), it's Nick Cage.

Nine times out of ten his performance is horrendous. He's a bad actor by pornography standards.

[Mutt_Dog]

Well again you haven't seen National Treasure...so you don't know the whole story line...obvious...and Lord of War...awesome movie...now movies like 8mm and Snake Eyes...yeah..those didn't make sense to me...but before you criticize a movie for a bad story line be sure to watch it first.

[Lazerblade]

Nicholas Cage isn't a bad actor, not by today's standards. I think as far as bad actors, over-rated pretty-boys, and overpaid line-readers go, there's a long list ahead of Cage. For instance: Pitt, Kilmer, Will Smith, Hanks, Cruise, DiCaprio, Damon, Affleck, Banderas, Costner, Gere, O'Donnell, Ledger, Baldwin (pick any, or all), etc...

Only Matt Damon and Tom Hanks, from that list, have any talent, and despite that they are still overpaid and only used in films for their recognizability, not their talent.

Personally I think Cage did very well in most of the movies mentioned. A few other gems that weren't mentioned: Face/Off, Con Air, Gone in 60 Seconds, City of Angels, The Rock, Raising Arizona.

Though he's had quite a career- and any actor can have a bad role when the material is weak, or the writer sucks, or the supporting cast is sub-par- I think Cage is one of the truest actors out there. His acting is typically more inline with the role and less stereotyped with previous films (unlike Jim Carrey, who has movies designed around his personality more than fitting the requested role). I've seen Cage take on a lot of variation, and I've seen him excel in those roles. I'd much rather see him as a comic book persona than most of the others mentioned here, simply for that reason.

[Fixxxer]

Well again you haven't seen National Treasure...so you don't know the whole story line...obvious...and Lord of War...awesome movie...now movies like 8mm and Snake Eyes...yeah..those didn't make sense to me...but before you criticize a movie for a bad story line be sure to watch it first.

Enlighten me, Ebert.

:roll:

EDIT---

I guess this;

Ben Gates comes from a family of treasure hunters. Now his grandfather believes that the forefathers' buried a treasure somewhere in the country and have placed clues everywhere but unfortunately the clues are highly cryptic and scaterred all over the place. Now Ben thinks he has found it but it only leads him to another clue which is on the back of the Declaration of Independence. Now one of his associates Ian wants to steal it so that they could get the clue but Ben refuses to do it so he tries to kill Ben. But Ben evades him and tries to warn the authorities about Ian's plans but they don't believe him. So Ben takes it upon himself to steal it in order to protect it. And he does but Abigail Chase the curator of the National Archives, where it is kept, discovers what he has done and tries to stop him but gets caught in the crossfire between Ben and Ian, so Ben takes her with him. While she doesdn't believe him, he is determined to prove he is right about the treasure. But it won't be easy cause Ian's always a step behind him and he is being hunted by the FBI.

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isn't the main plot, then?

Oooo, but I still have no clue as to what the movie is about. Do you really need to see the movie to figure out that the story is bad? Do you need to eat horse shit to figure out that it doesn't taste good?

:roll:

So not only are there clues on the back of the DoP, he steals it to protect it while an evil treasure hunter wants all the glory for himself. He also has to prove to the woman he wants to bang that he isn't crazy so he takes her with him.

And this is the faith you hold in the Academy Awards? I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though.

I also don't understand why you're assuming I'm criticizing Nick because of one movie (or National Treasure to begin with). I just said I think he's a bad actor, whether his movies have solid plots is besides the point.

[Mofoka]

Hhmmmmm.

Ghost Rider and The Punisher were always my favorites. Even as a little kid I leaned towards things of dark retribution.

Both the old and the new version of The Punisher are my favorites.

I thought they screwed up The Punisher movie.

Can't agree because I think they did a good job with the new one, although it didn't surround the original story.

And I really, really think Cage is completely the wrong actor for that role.

Yea, I agree with that, the first time I saw Cage in a tough guy role was watching ConAir, even though he had a cheesy southern accent he got the job done. And He did fairly well in The Rock, Face/Off and I have heard good things about him in Windtalkers, which I have yet to see.

All in all I don't think he should be in this movie, they orginally were going to star Johnny Depp as Johnny Blaze but then Cage signed on. They also were talking about replacing his character with Kiefer Sutherland but out of Depp and Sutherland, I think I would rather go with Cage. To be honest I find it odd they picket Wes Bently as Blackheart,

[Aramis]

I like the new Punisher. It's not completely true to the comics (especially not the older 70's stuff) but I feel it's a good flick. I liked National Treasure as a fun popcorn movie. It was far from Cage's breakout film or anything, but at least it wasn't Mullet Air... I mean Con Air. I did enjoy The Rock, but more so because of that kickass shootout in the shower room of Alcatraz than anything else.

To me, I don't have a lot of faith in Ghost Rider. I don't think it'll have what it takes. To me, the bike isn't in the right direction. And the bad CGI isn't a good sign either- why show that if it isn't what your finished product will look like?

[sithdemon]

Yeah it's possible they go the bad action movie way, IE blade 2 and 3, where as blade one worked IMO. It's a shame though, especially with things like most of the aliens movies, hellboy, and sin city, the fact that small time comic book publishers can translate their movies better then some of the ones from major publishers. Marvel and DC seem to give up too much creative control to the hollywood bigshots, or they them selves get too caught up in making a grandious movie, instead of translating it from one medium to another, perhaps making SLIGHT changes for film, and the 2 hour time lenght of most movies.

Hopefully marvel will learn that better adaptations like spiderman and x-men are better to put out, however it could be more a matter of sales. Which I would think are better with those, especially on the DVD sales. Who wants to but catwoman, and daredevil DVDs, not even a comic book geek like my self.

Hellyboy, blade 1, and sin city should have set the path for this similarly dark hero movie to come out, we can only hope, if it is as bad as it seems so far, it totally tanks, and in 10 years they make a better one.